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VOTE for nightly tournaments.

Started by K.C. Magic Data, June 20, 2015, 05:59:59 pm

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K.C. Magic Data

June 20, 2015, 05:59:59 pm Last Edit: June 20, 2015, 06:16:50 pm by K.C. Magic Data
Due to popular demand we will hold a Community vote to see if there is any need to rearrange the nightly Tournaments. The votes must show some interest in changing the tournament types otherwise they will remain as is. Please feel free to add comments and ask questions. I also encourage you to talk to your fellow players and invite them to come place a vote.
Kevin S Currie

K.C. Magic Data

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Kevin S Currie

Soul

Justoleme, your team is often in it to the end.  There are some very good, intelligent players on this site.  Keep practising.  Makes the games and the bidding a great challenge! 

just_ol_me


catman

Is "elimination" the current 8 or 10 format?

I find 8 o'clock rules frustrating, especially getting penalized for taking the 3, and not scoring as a team?

What about switching the order of the two tournies and seeing if time slot is a factor?

I won't play tournies at all if they are like the 8 pm version.
"If a three falls in the forest, does anybody hear?"

"The dog may be wonderful prose, but only the cat is poetry" -- French Proverb

K.C. Magic Data

Kevin S Currie

just_ol_me

 my thought is both like the 10 o'clock,,your right cat,, the 8 o'clock is frustrating,, that's why i never play it

cat

The question should have been who wants the 8pm points tourny replaced with an elimination tourny. Now the votes are being split between who wants 2 elimination tournies and who wants 3 elim. tournies. I hope it is being noted that 9 people want the 8 points tourny gone while only 5 want it to stay as of June 22!

AllanG

COPIED FROM DIFFERENT THREAD:
I voted to leave the times and type of tournaments the same.

But I would like to see some changes made to the points tournament.  I do not agree the way the points are weighted.  The problem is that the hands are not given enough points compared to each trick.  The hand is worth one point for winning, one point for setting (X2) and -1 for losing.  Each trick is given one point so the daring bidder is rewarded with several points on tricks but only loses one point for getting set.  How about giving four points +/- for winning or losing a bid and two points (given to each setter) on a set?  The way it is now a single game with 10 hands issues 80 total points for tricks but only about 20 points +/- for the hands.  The current way of doing it rewards the aggressive bidders so I confess this is partially a selfish desire on my part since I prefer a more defensive style of play.  Testament to this is that I have never won an early tournament.

Despite the fact I would win more overall points with two elimination tournaments the way it is now, I still like the points tourney due to the greater number of partners I play with so I can meet more people - good for new players too.

K.C. Magic Data

June 22, 2015, 04:45:22 pm #9 Last Edit: June 22, 2015, 04:49:48 pm by K.C. Magic Data
Quote from: cat on June 22, 2015, 03:55:33 pm
The question should have been who wants the 8pm points tourny replaced with an elimination tourny. Now the votes are being split between who wants 2 elimination tournies and who wants 3 elim. tournies. I hope it is being noted that 9 people want the 8 points tourny gone while only 5 want it to stay as of June 22!


I agree that the votes for 2 Eliminations or 3 Eliminations will count together and the more popular choice will then be the chosen arrangement.
Im guessing if there are 3 tournaments a night then the regular games will be empty most of the night.
Kevin S Currie

AllanG

Why not keep the current tournaments and add an elimination tourney at 6PM?  The points tourney should be kept in some form.  It has the positive effect of giving less experienced, or just plain less talented players, the opportunity to learn from playing with better players.  Also I expect the more experienced players will be the main participants in this vote so it is a no brainer for them to vote in favour of elimination tourneys only so they can hog the points.

hwheels

Okay here's my 2 cents.  I love kaiser but i'm really annoyed at the 8 oclock tourny.  People are so greedy, there is no 'team' work because of points.  I've bid and had my own partner screw me.  People are so scared of the 3 its ridiculous, Its not going to bite you.  I like the randomness of players but I hate the greedy no team work players.  Thats it, thats just my opinion.  :D
'How can we be Lover's if we can't be Friends.'

catman

I don't care about points.  Give me a tourney format that simulates real kaiser.  Trying to win the game as a team rather than avoid the 3.  Sometimes taking the 3 is necessary to get the 5.

What about an elimination format that paired people randomly til they got eliminated?
"If a three falls in the forest, does anybody hear?"

"The dog may be wonderful prose, but only the cat is poetry" -- French Proverb

Soul

Hwheels and Catman make one of the best, valid points ever in this forum and it is in regards to the 3. 

First and foremost, the tourney format breeds greed.  :-\ If you want to win, or have any kind of competitive bone in your body, of course you are going to want to try and win at all costs.   It's kind of like Survivor.... doesn't matter how nice you are in real life.  When it comes to a game, and if you want to win it, you will do what it takes.

For those who just want to be friendly and have fun.... play unrated games and chill with your homies instead being disappointed with the greed of other players, cause that will never stop.

But the most important point of all, has to do with the playing of, or the avoiding of the 3. >:(

If people want to improve and compete against some of the better players on the site, they really need to comprehend the value of being able to take the three if warranted.  You will only ever be a mediocre player at best if you are avoiding the 3 at all cost, and unfortunately, the 8 o'clock points tournament enables that behaviour even further.

IMHO the 8 pm points tournament is pointless.  Pun intended. I never play for the reasons listed above.  And further to that, no one visits in there.  I only ever see or hear people complaining or being negative about something or someone.  IN fact... the very first time I came back to Kaiser last year I was attacked and ridiculed about my name.  So I don't really see how there would be value in keeping that 8 pm points tournament, unless of course you need an outlet for drama.   ;)

Having said that, I do like some of the suggestions....

But would much prefer to see 2 elims.

3 Elim tournies is overkill and we would see less players in them all.

The Sunday tournament at 8 pm seems to be the most popular of all of the 8's.  Perhaps Sunday is the day there could be 3 tournaments.  An early morning Elimination Tournament.  Keep the 8 double points tournament, and have the other elim at its regular time of 10pm.

Just a thought.    8)

K.C. Magic Data

First off its great to start seeing people take part in voicing their concerns and opinions on the Forum. We now have a topic of great interest.

If points matter to a Kaiser member then there is no big secret that playing in Tournaments is the best way to increase them.
The elimination tournament is the more popular however the points tournament closely resembles the live tournaments you play in person, with the exception of random partners. Random partners is the reason i went with this style of pointing. The tournament winner is not a team but rather a person, so the points were awarded individually. Unfortunately the outcome was a selfishness to win without your partners.

I am currently weeding through the tournament code to find out why people get disconnected. Its easier than it sounds but difficult to implement because we are not in the testing stages any more. Any changes i make to the code will affect the Tournaments and i dont want to make them worse.
I wrote this code 10 years ago so I'm not as familiar with it as i was back then.  :-\

The easiest solution for me would be 2 eliminations and change the times to 7 and 9 so that the people dont have to stay up so late.

Kevin S Currie